Posted this at TOMB in answer to a 16 y.o.’s question:
There’ll be as many opinions as posters here, but FWIW, and it’s just mine, I’ll reco to you what I have to local friends.
Cassette recorders are cool and all & I’ve had and still have my share but they are lo-fi and now old and prone to breaking down, and tapes are not super easy to get. There are ways to re-create that lo-fi sound when using newer, digital recorders, with a little research, if that’s really what you want.
Me, I reco a inexpensive digital recorder. If it’s just one-take demo’s, I reco you get something like the Zoom H2, but since you seem to want to multi-track, I’d look for a SD card-based system.
FWIW, I use a Zoom R16 frequently to record drums (load into computer and overdub the rest), and it’s sturdy, easy, and sounds good, can be had for under US$250 used, has phantom power and effects, including compressors and EQ in the digital realm. I believe there are 4-track and 8-track and 16-track versions from various manufacturers, some that can be found even cheaper. They all seem to interface with computers through USB as well as the data cards; that is good because you can dump or mix your tracks and edit, etc. with cheap or even free software (the Zoom R16 comes with Cakewalk LE, I believe), which increases your options and odds of getting good-sounding results, and allows you to burn CD’s (for your parents and other dinosaurs) and post on-line, etc., and you even needn’t necessarily buy a soundcard.
Mic-wise, I reco the Shure 58 – pop the ball off and it sounds quite close to a ’57, and those are bog-standard mic’s, which makes ‘em a good learning tool. But there’s usually usable and cheaper mic’s around – I started using Digital Reference 57 clones on overheads and was happy for a while. After that, while you might get longer term good use out of another 57-type, there’s nothing wrong and a lot good with learning about condensors, and there are tons of cheap ones out there that are certainly usable, from MXL, CAD, MCA, etc. I strongly reco you buy used – just pay attention to buyer info if you are on Ebay. (98% or lower, don’t risk it, do research prices, pay attention to condition and returns policy, etc.)
Two more tips to get ya started:
1. do try and do some sound treatment, even if that means using pillows and couches and closets and bookshelves and blankets – there’s lots of info on line on the hows/whys but the bottom line is you’ll maximize your results;
2. do try and use as many mix-monitoring approaches as possible, not just headphones – compare the home stereo, bookshelf stereo, car stereo, I-pod, etc.
If you look at my 3-21-14 post, you’ll see how I received a damage mic from njmusicplace.
Well, they re-listed it on the E-Bog and I was just contacted by another buyer. Below are some updated posts, (with other poster’s comments omitted, if you sense some lack of continuity.)
Posted: Sat 22.03.14
Re: shame about the ADK mic
Lemme say, I have a bunch of mic’s, even a bunch of the cheaper tube mic’s.
This thing, opening up the body, it felt like a piece of precision engineering, and looked it, too.
Very heavy, very close tolerances – a damn shame it’s ruined.
I wasn’t kidding, I want another.
But first I gotta get my $ back; UPS to pick-up on Monday.
Posted: Sat 22.03.14
Re the ADK A6:
Thanks for that, the AA’s are on my list, too.
Gotta say, that Tc reminded of nothing so much as a nice handgun, in the sense of its engineering.
I do have a pair of ADK A51 V’s, and really like ‘em. I know they are just more Chinese LDC’s, but they seem very nice in their color, equalled mebbe only by the CAD GCLX3000 in that US$100 price range.
I keep wanting to try ‘em on overheads, but drums recording time is so limited I default to the AT4040’s, (what are 3x the price, but only just as nice on vox), what are “faster” and somehow more “solid” and “even”.
Posted: Sun 30.03.14
BTW, just saw, the seller, njmusicplace, just re-listed this mic, stating, “This unit is used and in great condition. There are some minor blemishes on the microphone, but it looks almost brand new. The clamp on mount on the end of the goose neck to the pop filter has a bit of rust on it.(See pictures for actual condition)”.
That’s an outright fucking lie – don’t get ripped off by these scumbags!
Posted: Sun 30.03.14,
Besides the aggro and the money tie-up and the fact that the arse questioned my honesty, my return went smooth also.
I guess I was lucky, as the seller clearly has terrible ethics.
Caveat emptor and alla that, but, as a guy with a long memory, I wonder where all the people who attacked me in defense of the poor, misunderstood sellers in my other Ebay posts are now (see here, and here, for example).
Also, BTW, I tried to “report” the listing, but the drop-down-box choices don’t apply to the condition of the item, so I posted here that no one I correspond with – even the “defenders” – gets bit.
Posted: Mon 31.03.14,
Ha! Imagine that!
My negative feedback of the seller has disappeared, altho’ my page says “feedback left” so I can’t leave it again, and the seller is back to 100%.
Is that because of the refund?
Or because they are a “power seller” or whatever BS title applies?
Posted: Tue 01.04.14, 7:37 am
The most aggravating part for me. or one of them, is that whenever I run into these situations, I am inevitably directly, or (as here) impliedly called a “scammer” when it is the seller who is dishonest. And, of course, E-Bay allows it.
I guess that’s the E-Bay way, part of the culture of it, along with that “politics” thing.
I have to say, tho’, I’m very surprised about Banjo-Mart. You might consider trying to contact whatever headquarters they have with a complaint. Where E-Bay is comprised of a company coordinating sales from individual sellers, Banjo-Mart is the seller itself (assuming a non-consignment situation), and therefore is directly answerable to any lawsuit or law enforcement action and it directly impacts their reputation- they probably wouldn’t dig the actions of a rogue store manager …
Posted: Mon 14.04.14
So they ended up relisting it and selling it for $249; “This unit is used and in great condition. There are some minor blemishes on the microphone, but it looks almost brand new.”, my fat arse.
vlayman; THD; blog; TFP
Posted: Thu 17.04.14, 4:21 pm
Re: contact by next buyer/victim
I did not check the capsule; I asked permission to of the seller when I saw the problem after taking off the body cover. I received a rather condescending response about the damage I could do if I opened it, “only a expert” and alla that kinda shite.
A expert like theirs, eh?
If you look above, I relate how I gave ‘em a bad review and it was deleted from the E-bog.
I don’t know what you can do about this except publish your experience around the forums (this is my only forum where someone might buy it …)
FWIW, and even while they gave my money back, I was willing to give ‘em the benefit of the doubt that they got stuck and didn’t know better when they sold it to me – especially in view of their dooshy denials, as I didn’t think anyone would have the gall …
I think they are scum-bag crooks trying to lay off a mic with a serious latent defect while not disclosing same.
As far as dealing with the seller? I’d use a 10′ pole and a handgun, me.
njmusicplace, folks – BEWARE.
Good luck to you, and obviously, if I can help …
MEV’s Orange Chicken
(serves 4, if yer lucky)
2 lbs chicken, 1.5″ cubed
marinate in OJ & soy & garlic (to taste, say 1/2 + 1/4c. + tbsp.) 1 hr. or so
1 tbsp orange zest
1/2 c. soy
1/2 c. white wine
2 cloves minced garlic
5 dried hot peppers -
cut to 1/”, de-seed, soak 15 minutes in warm water
1 c. orange juice
2 tbsp. corn starch
peel and cook oranges with wine and soy, mash and remove pulp
add other ingredients, cook 20 minutes on low heat, cornstarch at
end to thicken
put marinaded chicken in cornstarch, then 2 egg+water
mix, then bread crumbs; cook in peanut oil in hot wok (sub olive oil w/ canola if
Serve w/ veggies (broccoli, onions, carrots, tomatoes, water
chestnuts, cauliflower, corn, straw or other mushrooms, etc.) &
sticky rice (2 cups dry rice + 3 & 7/8 cups water, combine and bring
to boil, simmer 20 minutes let sit 5); combine meat and sauce in wok
for a couple minutes before serving.
BONUS (fake sake):
heat a cheap Pinot Grigio and serve like sake
Black Joe Louis, Electric Slave: less like funk, more like a Nuggets garage band with horns, out-keys The Black Keys, shouts even more like James Brown, and when did he get so good on guitar? 3.5/5 olives.
vlayman; THD; blog; TFP
1. Midnight (I Started Drinking) 03:15
2. Crickets 04:07
3. Git Gone (Go On) w/ Grankspoine 03:29
4. Retinue 03:40
5. Father’s Day 03:29
6. Colder 02:39
7. Wayside 03:58
8. Ravenous 03:19
9. nO hESITATION 03:42
10. Nightmare (Some Kinda) 03:32
11. Blues Song (Notta M-F-in’) 02:59
Some more clatter from the clutter with assistance from the below-listed and Seagram’s Extra Dry.
released 18 August 2013
Grankspoine: derrangment, keys, horns, guitar on #3
Silversmith: drums on #8
Vlayman: the really bad stuff
vlayman; THD; blog; TFP
In answer to some questions, I posted:
All guitars tracked as pictured [below], just played on different pups and with different inversions, no FX other than the crapper-verb, and variations in the stereo panning (leads are panned narrower).
Yes, the guitar “room” mic – about 4′ out, is a MXL144 that I modded by pulling out the wind screen, tightening the ribbon and damping the can with scrap cloth.
The close mic (about 6″ out) is my prized Shure 545 Unidyne. Mine is a old one, and I highly reco them for amps – they are like a brighter but smoother ’57, with less of the mid-range bump.
Combined with the ribbon, you can get a nicely balanced track, altho’ here the 2 rhythm guitars are panned room mic to hard-side and close mic to opposite about 30%, each guitar’s mic’s panned opposite each other. The leads are also panned opposite each other, about 25% each mic.
My intent was to make a Stonesy kinda guitar blend.