M/S somewhat ‘splained

In answer to a question at lostoverture.com, I said:

M/S = mid/side

You record the mid signal with a cardoid or similar and pan it up the middle.

You record the side signal with a figure 8.

You then clone the side signal and phase invert it and pan each track (the original and the phase inverted) up the sides.
If you play just the mid signal, you have mono.

If you add the sides to it, you add more “stereoness”, more room.

If you collapse the mix to mono, the side signals cancel and you are left with the mono.

You can make adjustments by varying the left and right signals vs. the middle, and vs. each other, and by panning them; it’s a phasing trick.

As well, using a omni for the mid, or the sides is a option, or you can use a hyper-cardoid for the mid, and use matching or different types of mic’s (ex., ribbon vs. condensor, etc.)

Trad M/S has you stack the mics vertically, so they are equidistant from the sound source in order to control the phase differences you get from distance; hence, my little stand is non-trad, not “accurate”, but still a EZ, useful effect.

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FWIW, and a trick I have posted before, sometimes I mic a recorded track played onna monitor in M/S …

While I have done that on drum tracks, etc., I find it mostly useful on single rhythm or lead guitars.

I intend to try both (the re-mic and the “sorta M/S” while recording) on some mono-amp’d keys tracks, also.

I love M/S (actual, “trad M/S”, if you will Twisted Evil ) on drums, but my drummer hates it. Probably because I over-used the separation the few times we tried it …Sad

“Not true M/S”

…, someone said about my prior post at TOMB, to what I responded:

 

I understand and agree, 100% – I could (should?) have called it “sorta M/S” or something, altho’ I did not call it “M/S”; but mebbe I was unclear.

Obviously, it is not accurate in sound or time or space or “phase” or whatever, and not a true example of trad M/S, which, as I said (so typo’d) is a PITA to set up.

That said, it sounds cool and it is “sorta M/S” to the extent that the side channels are inverted copies and cancel in mono, and it sounds anywhere from roomy to ridiculously separated, and the best part is it’s easily set-up and repeatable and (with two performances) symmetrical in that the mic’s are locked in place on the stand, in the “sorta M/S” position.

It is, I submit, close enuff for rock-n-roll guitar, if only as a effect.

Anywhat, feel free to ignore it, but mebbe try it first (or just listen to the above link) if you see the stated advantages – especially the ease and repeat-ability of set-up – it really sounds pretty cool, IMNSFHO. Twisted Evil

Mic’in’ in M/S made EZ


I like M/S, especially on guitars, what I know is weird.

But it’s a PITA always trya set it up, so I just put two CAD M179’s onna stand with the front set to hyper-C and the back set to figure 8 and, damn if it ain’t work good!

Here its is from the top:

Here it is in use:

You can hear it on the rhythm guitar, here.

The Friday Project: “Laundry”

Laundry
c. ’12 The Friday Project

Look at all the dirt, look at all the stains
I know lookin’ at alla that causes you pain
It’s gotta be clean, no inbetween
It’s gotta smell like summer rain

Look at all the creases, look at the bad folds
I know lookin’ at all that gets real old
It’s gotta be neat or its incomplete
It’s gotta be smooth, so we been told

Ch: Don’t take it away, don’t take it from me
Baby, please don’t cut my laundry

It’s important to you, so it’s important to me
It’s like a clean-skinned face, what you wanna see
It’s gotta be right, or we’ll have a fight
It’s gotta be just how ya want it to be
Ch: 2x
SOLO
If there’s any holes, you can’t invisbly mend
Than it’s to the rag-bag that you will send it
It’s gotta look new, it’s gotta look good
It’s gotta look, like you say it should
Ch:
Look at all the dirt, look at all the stains
I know lookin’ at alla that causes you pain 2x
Ch: 2x

Drums: Krister-Yama’s-Zoom H2
Bass: HohnerHdls-Brick-160XT
LdVoc: GAP D1-Eureka
BV’s: AKG D5-Eureka
M/S RthmGtr: SG-M8E-M179-fig8-Summit
SG-M8E-M179-hyperC-ISA1
LdGtrL SG-M8E-Shure SM63L-ISA1
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Thye Friday Project: “Good Man (He’s a)”

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Good Man (He’s a)
c. ’12 The Friday Project

I’m feelin’ kinda stupid, yeah
I’m feelin’ rather dumb,
I know that I ain’t no Cupid, but
I never thought you’d think you hafta run
CH: He’s a good man, he’s a
good man
I don’t understand
Yer reluctance

You and me been like, friends a long time
You and me can talk about anything
You and me don’t ever cross that line
And I thought mebbe you would see
CH:
If you feel like it just ain’t right
Well, I’ll tell ya what it’s still early in the
night
Go back out there after ya fix yer hair
Join us back in the candle light
CH:
What am I to do, what am I to do with you?
I got her, too, me and her an d him and you
A double date and I’m payin’ the freight
Shit, I thought you’d like him
CH:
SOLO
I’m feelin’ kinda stupid, yeah
I’m feelin’ rather dumb,
I know that I ain’t no Cupid, but
I never thought you’d think you hafta run
CH: He’s a good man, he’s a
good man
I don’t understand
Yer reluctance

Drums: Krister: Yama’s-R16
Bass: HohnerHdlsJazz-Brick-dbx160XT
LdVoc: KSM27-Eureka-L
RthmGtrs: SG-M8E-AKGd5-ISA1
BV’s: PL5-Eureka
LdGtrs: SG-M8E-SM63L-ISA1
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The Friday Project: “Cellphone”

For the cabinetpin.com 9-20-12 challenge.

Cellphone

c. ’12 The Friday Project

150 dollars for a monthly ticket
I think that’s about 40 beers
Every month I buy another damn ticket
Damn near 2,000 dollars a year

CH: What do I get besides the plastic seats,
the shitty heat and bad air?
I get to listen to your cellphone speech and
even tho’ you don’t care, I stare
holes in the back of yer head

I bring my headphones and some punkish
rock
to distract from yer incessant talk
I crank to 10 to and numb my ears
And over that I still hear you

As I board this morning with my nice
breifcase
I’m so concious of the pistol’s weight
Need I give warning before I shoot your
face?
Or shall I do it from behind, yes

CH: What do I get besides the plastic seats,
the shitty heat and bad air?
I get to listen to your cellphone speech and
even tho’ you don’t care, I stare
holes in the back of yer head

CH: What do I get besides the plastic seats,
the shitty heat and bad air?
I get to listen to your cellphone speech and I
reckon you’ll carere, before I shoot a
hole in the back of yer head

Drums: Krister-Ysamas-R16
Bass: Alvarexz-Brick-dbx160XT
Vox: KSM27-VC1Q
Gtrs: SG-T2-Microcab-Summit
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